Immortality

In an effort to get some good discussions going on these boards, which have been fairly devoid lately, i'd like to show 2 gear setups i've been thinking about, involving new gear from naxxramas. (see here for naxx items: http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr )

First, a preface: These are setups mainly for pvp. People lately have been going loony IMO. Fury builds with 4k hp, edgemaster handguards, that sort of thing. Even in PVE these types of builds are highly limited by a universal truth: you can't do damage while dead. Fights in AQ40 and now Naxxramas are showing that you typically need more than 1 tank, sometimes 5 tanks are needed. The fights you can DPS freely without worrying about aggro or getting 1 or 2 shotted with your 5500 buffed hp are few and far between.

Look at Sartura for example. Her WW does 1200-1500ish damage to plate WITH a shield, without a shield and in zerker stance it's easily 2k or more, especially with these people I see wearing leather gear for the stats. That's 2 WW's, which she spams very fast, before you either need massive healing, or you die. With healers having to worry about tanks, or classes that can stun more than every 30 seconds (rogues, pallies), I doubt you're much of a priority to healers.

And that's only 1 example. If you want an even better example, look at patchwerk. If you haven't fought him, then I won't spoil it, but let's just say that a fury warrior who pulls aggro will instantly be wtfpwnt.

And that's just pve, in pvp, hp is even more important. Spell damage is out the roof these days. Your only defense against this as a warrior is defensive stance when you can, get as much hp as you can without gimping other stats, and get a healer to tag along with you who doesn't suck and will watch your back.

Also, IMO, crit % is the most important offensive stat for an MS warrior in PVP. Crits fuel your rage generation, no crits = no rage = no skill usage. Now, you don't need to go overboard on it, anywhere above 20% is good IMO, with the more the better obviously. AP is still good, but it's second to crit%.

Well enough prefacing, here's the gear:

Stats
Strength: 400
Agility: 221
Stamina: 394
Intellect: 33
Spirit: 48
Armor: 5889
HP: 5549
Crit%: 38.05% (battle stance)
Attack Power: 1120
Weapon Damage: 549 - 674 (169.8dps)

Bonuses
Equip: Increased Defense +23.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 4%.
Equip: Immune to Disarm.
Equip: +15 Shield Block Value
Use: Increases your attack speed by 20% for 10 seconds.
Equip: Decreases the rage cost of all Warrior shouts by 35%.

Back
Cloak of Dominion
Binds when picked up
Back Cloth
68 Armor
+11 Stamina
Enchant: Agility +3
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: +50 Attack Power.

Chest
Conqueror's Breastplate
Binds when picked up
Chest Plate
985 Armor
+24 Agility
+34 Strength
+38 Stamina
Enchant: All Stats +4
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +6.

Feet
Chromatic Boots
Binds when picked up
Feet Plate
596 Armor
+20 Agility
+20 Strength
+19 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Left Finger
Ring of the Qiraji Fury
Binds when picked up
Unique
Finger
+12 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Equip: +40 Attack Power.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.

Right Finger
Signet of Unyielding Strength (upgraded stats in 1.11)
Binds when picked up
Unique
Finger
+11 Strength
+14 Stamina
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.

Hands
Fists of the Relentless
Binds when picked up
Hands Plate
642 Armor
+30 Strength
+20 Stamina
Enchant: Agility +15
Requires Level 60
Equip: Immune to Disarm.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.

Head
Conqueror's Crown
Binds when picked up
Head Plate
739 Armor
+18 Agility
+29 Strength
+34 Stamina
Enchant: Defense +7/Stamina +10/Shield Block Value +15
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +6.

Legs
Legplates of Carnage
Binds when picked up
Legs Plate
815 Armor
+42 Strength
+18 Stamina
Enchant: Health +100
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 2%.

Neck
Kel'Thuzad's Necklace of GG (seen at E3 )
Neck
+16 Stamina
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 2%.
Equip: +28 Attack Power.

Shoulder
Conqueror's Spaulders
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Plate
659 Armor
+16 Agility
+20 Strength
+21 Stamina
Enchant: +26 Attack Power./Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +4.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Left Trinket
Kiss of the Spider
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.
Use: Increases your attack speed by 20% for 20 seconds.

Right Trinket
Blackhand's Breadth
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 2%.

Waist
Girdle of the Mentor
Binds when picked up
Waist Plate
536 Armor
+21 Strength
+21 Stamina
+20 Agility
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Wrist
Wristguards of Vengeance
Binds when picked up
Wrist Plate
407 Armor
+24 Strength
+10 Stamina
Enchant: Stamina +9
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.

Mainhand
Severance
Binds when picked up
Two Hand Axe
235 - 354 Damage Speed 3.60
(81.8 damage per second)
+43 Strength
+18 Stamina
Enchant: Agility +25
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 2%.

Ranged
Naxx Bow (Don't know name yet)
Binds when picked up
Ranged Bow
103 - 192 Damage Speed 2.90
(50.9 damage per second)
+6 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: +16 Attack Power.

Here's what I call the "Crazy Crit Build". 41% crit in zerker stance, lol, crazy. Your other offensive stats aren't too bad, altho you could swap out BB or KotS for DFT if you feel you need the +hit, which would still be pretty high +crit. You could go even higher crit % with a few items subbed in, but you'd have to sacrifice a large amount of hp and AP, so I felt this was the best balance for this sort of build.

Stats
Strength: 354
Agility: 231
Stamina: 526
Intellect: 29
Spirit: 44
Armor: 6037
Health: 6869
Crit%: 22.55% (battle stance)
Attack Power: 960
Weapon Damage: 577 - 730 (171.9dps)
Dodge%: 17.39%
Parry%: 11.84% (4/5 deflection)

Bonuses
Equip: Increased Defense +71.
Equip: Immune to Disarm.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 5%.
Use: Heals yourself for 15% of your maximum health, and increases your maximum health by 15% for 20 sec.
Equip: Decreases the rage cost of all Warrior shouts by 35%.

Other Stats

Back
Cloak of the Golden Hive
Binds when picked up
Back Cloth
59 Armor
+19 Stamina
+13 Strength
+10 Agility
Enchant: Dodge +1%
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +6.

Chest
Conqueror's Breastplate
Binds when picked up
Chest Plate
985 Armor
+24 Agility
+34 Strength
+38 Stamina
Enchant: Health +100
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +6.

Feet
Conqueror's Greaves
Binds when picked up
Feet Plate
604 Armor
+17 Agility
+21 Strength
+23 Stamina
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +4.

Left Finger
Band of Reanimation
Binds when picked up
Finger
+23 Agility
+22 Stamina
Requires Level 60

Right Finger
Signet Ring of the Bronze Dragonflight
Binds when picked up
Unique
Finger
+24 Stamina
+13 Strength
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +7.

Hands
Fists of the Relentless
Binds when picked up
Hands Plate
642 Armor
+30 Strength
+20 Stamina
Enchant: Agility +15
Requires Level 60
Equip: Immune to Disarm.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.

Head
Dreadnaught Helm
Binds when picked up
Head Plate
800 Armor
+19 Strength
+44 Stamina
Enchant: Defense +7/Stamina +10/Shield Block Value +15
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +14.
Equip: Increases your chance to dodge an attack by 1%.

Legs
Conqueror's Legguards
Binds when picked up
Legs Plate
796 Armor
+21 Agility
+33 Strength
+24 Stamina
Enchant: Defense +7/Stamina +10/Shield Block Value +15
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +6.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Neck
Sadist's Collar
Binds when picked up
Neck
+24 Stamina
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: +20 Attack Power.

Shoulder
Dreadnaught Pauldrons
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Plate
722 Armor
+14 Strength
+29 Stamina
Enchant: Stamina +16/Armor +100
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increases the block value of your shield by 21.
Equip: Increased Defense +9.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Left Trinket
Lifegiving Gem
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Use: Heals yourself for 15% of your maximum health, and increases your maximum health by 15% for 20 sec.

Right Trinket
Drake Fang Talisman
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 60
Equip: +56 Attack Power.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 2%.
Equip: Increases your chance to dodge an attack by 1%.

Waist
Girdle of the Mentor
Binds when picked up
Waist Plate
536 Armor
+21 Strength
+21 Stamina
+20 Agility
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Wrist
Dreadnaught Bracers
Binds when picked up
Wrist Plate
431 Armor
+14 Strength
+28 Stamina
Enchant: Stamina +9
Equip: Increased Defense +5.

Mainhand
Might of Menethil
Binds when picked up
Two Hand Mace
289 - 435 Damage Speed 3.80
(95.3 damage per second)
+20 Strength
+46 Stamina
Enchant: Agility +25
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 2%.

Ranged
Naxx Bow (Don't know name yet)
Binds when picked up
Ranged Bow
103 - 192 Damage Speed 2.90
(50.9 damage per second)
+6 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: +16 Attack Power.

This is the setup I'm thinking of working towards: The 7k hp pvp Warrior. It's a bit short on offensive stats, altho still respectable. Where it stands out is in the good avoidance/defense and outstanding HP value. Also, MS builds rely mostly on a good weapon to do damage, so with an outstanding weapon, you can back off of the offensive stats a bit in favor of hp and defense, and still have good offensive abilities. And, in pvp, mace spec is useful, so add in 5% for that.

This setup reminds me of listening to the devs talk about pve encounters, if they wanted to make them impossible, they'd just up their hp by a lot

I'm really excited about naxxramas, and what kind of carnage i'll be able to unleash after gearing up there

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All you need to do is hit rank 14 rule I was watching a rank 14 warrior on test named Rheile or something similar utterly destroy everyone. He has 6700 hp unbuffed in his PVP gear. He's in a few of mings videos.

Here's his setup. I'm thinking of going a more HP build as well
http://www.ctprofiles.net/1592920

He has tons of HP good AP and good crit as well.

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Just a question, being I know little about what does what for warrior gears.

I notice as a healer that if my tank takes off his + defense for + resist or crit, that the tank gets crit a hell of a lot more. The FM stuff you put up tang, has very very low defense. Wouldn't that be a pretty big downfall for a MT to use something like that? I dont even know if Defense helps you not get crit, but yeah, just seems like that.

oh for tanking id never wear that. the FM stuff is just for pvp. But the guy has 6700 unbuffed HP in his pvp gear which is just insane.

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The Jesus: ...you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes "click."
The Dude: Jesus.
The Jesus: You said it, man. Nobody fucks with the Jesus.

Ranged
Naxx Bow (Don't know name yet)
Binds when picked up
Ranged Bow
103 - 192 Damage Speed 2.90
(50.9 damage per second)
+6 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: +16 Attack Power.


Totally a hunter item.

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Current leet hunter weapon: M-4 Carbine with ACOG. Hands off Rogues!

I dont see +gay on there.

Actually Wray, that setup was inspired by you, and back in the day pre-defense nerf Darklord. It's not sword and board, but it could do that pretty good too I still remember you running around with 6k+hp and tf + ERB and owning it up

And dunno why hunters would want that bow when nerubian slavemaker will be available soon after it

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The Jesus: ...you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes "click."
The Dude: Jesus.
The Jesus: You said it, man. Nobody fucks with the Jesus.

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IM IN UR FORUMZ TROLLIN UR THREADZ

Just a heads up, CTProfiles.net has included all the gear from the first patch version that was on the PTR. Makes it a lot easier to put together some potential gear builds based on Naxx stuff.

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I use wowequip. It's nice in that you can make up any items you want, including things that haven't been released yet, but you know the stats to, like the neck off kelthuzad with 2% crit. It also generates reports like the one here, which I copy/pasted and then edited out the extra stuff like resists and such. It also shows what your stats would be with various buffs, which is nice to play with.

It's on curse gaming, just search for wowequip

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The Jesus: ...you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes "click."
The Dude: Jesus.
The Jesus: You said it, man. Nobody fucks with the Jesus.